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Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 134	Posted - 2012.03.30 06:29:00 - [1] - Quote I am Sebiestor and where I come from, New Year starts on 1.1., with celebrations usually for the two weeks before, and there is another important yearly date at midsummer (date varies a little from place to place, end of 06 or beginning of 07). Some folks we have close ties with count Years from harvest, too, but we never were that rural. Customs sound familiar though; new year is a time for remembering the death and your Vanquishing sounds like what I know as Renouncing. For the record, if I have my geography right, my folks are a little way further north from where this is taking place.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 136	Posted - 2012.03.30 07:24:00 - [2] - Quote Yes, because currently you, Airaken, are exactly what every Matari would want in their celebration of Renouncing the God of slavery. No, wait. Not really.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 137	Posted - 2012.03.30 08:04:00 - [3] - Quote Actions speak louder than words.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 154	Posted - 2012.03.30 14:25:00 - [4] - Quote I hear there's some stuff on the eastern shores where they used to ritually torture and freeze raiders to death as part of New Year, which was for them in winter. Maybe you could learn from them? (Probably just an evil rumour though. No offense to easterners meant.)
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 157	Posted - 2012.03.30 16:58:00 - [5] - Quote You Seeker guys are hilarious. Do you really not see the connections here? Do you think you can do anything in space and still have everyone let you in their events "in the interest of anthropological study"? We are not a quaint people with cute customs that you can come and observe like an animal in the zoo, while you put other animals like us down "out of mercy".
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 158	Posted - 2012.03.30 17:26:00 - [6] - Quote It's not Commander Sadik's to grant or deny. Nor mine. We are in no way related to the event organizing clans.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 158	Posted - 2012.03.30 18:01:00 - [7] - Quote We did the Renouncing all through the peace too. And before. If it comes as a surprise to you that the Evil God and opposing him feature strongly in Matari mythology, I assure you that it is not a new invention, and as such can hardly be blamed for the state of the cluster.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 158	Posted - 2012.03.30 19:38:00 - [8] - Quote Oh, I am sure the ritual only speaks of getting rid of the Evil God, not getting rid of all His followers after He's been dealt with.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 158	Posted - 2012.03.30 20:23:00 - [9] - Quote Welcome to a war. There will be warriors on both sides who would commit genocide if they had the means. There will also be people on both sides that are honorable in their own way.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 170	Posted - 2012.03.31 14:06:00 - [10] - Quote May I suggest that there are a lot of potentially interested individuals who do not read this forum? You are always welcome to post on e.g. Electus Matari public subforums with a link to your invitation, if you like. I am sure other organizations have similar systems you could use.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 212	Posted - 2012.04.04 12:02:00 - [11] - Quote Since someone needs to stop tiptoeing around the issue: Yes, such rituals in the Matari culture are very much about a desire to destroy the Empire. Not necessarily the Amarrian people, but the Empire as it exists now, most importantly the parts that believe in (or for their selfish goals promote) an expansionist "Reclaiming" ideology. It is the belief of our culture that we can never live in safety and freedom as long as we live as neighbours of a vastly larger and more powerful Empire with a mandatory religion the major tenets of which includes the idea that it would be better for us to not be free and independent. Even the most benign forms of peaceful Reclaiming ideas include this belief at its core, and that belief is indeed more twisted and evil than it is sick. If you object to this, I respectfully suggest you start working towards healing that Spirit yourself. And we could not care less about whether an Amarrian considers our rituals "acceptable" or not.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 212	Posted - 2012.04.04 12:19:00 - [12] - Quote Captain Mithra; since you speak of appreciating honest words, it would you do well to openly admit that your Empire's religion does indeed contain as its core beliefs the idea that the Amarrian people has been chosen by God to bring other peoples to His light, if necessary by conquest and slavery. Even the most peaceful Amarrian sects tend to disagree only on to what extent such violent means are necessary - not on the task God has given to the Empire. That is not "my very own perception" of the Empire. It is what your nation is. Any discussion between us will be completely fruitless if you are unable to admit in public.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 212	Posted - 2012.04.04 12:55:00 - [13] - Quote Kithrus wrote: Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Captain Mithra; since you speak of appreciating honest words, it would you do well to openly admit that your Empire's religion does indeed contain as its core beliefs the idea that the Amarrian people has been chosen by God to bring other peoples to His light, if necessary by conquest and slavery. Even the most peaceful Amarrian sects tend to disagree only on to what extent such violent means are necessary - not on the task God has given to the Empire. That is not "my very own perception" of the Empire. It is what your nation is. Any discussion between us will be completely fruitless if you are unable to admit in public. I admit it And it is warriors of the Empire who do that that give us any hope that this conflict will one day end. All wisdom begins from facing the facts.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 279	Posted - 2012.04.29 13:46:00 - [14] - Quote So that's what he was doing in Pator.

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